tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post2425362027195167049..comments2024-03-12T22:45:16.936+01:00Comments on The Disoriented Ranger: Dungeoncrawl Reality CheckJens D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/18394303166081684904noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-34605777209302414542014-01-21T22:39:39.146+01:002014-01-21T22:39:39.146+01:00Sorry about that and thanks for pointing it out. I...Sorry about that and thanks for pointing it out. I usually do the research and show the source if I can figure out who did it. I'll rectify this immediately. Again, my sincerest apologies. It's your work and your name needs to be under that picture ...Jens D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18394303166081684904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-57938927373820895652014-01-21T21:37:00.702+01:002014-01-21T21:37:00.702+01:00@jd It's a shame that you take my picture on y...@jd It's a shame that you take my picture on your website and you didn´t ask me. <br />Write under the picture : Photographer: Martin Kaemper and give me a follow backlink www.fotograf-frankfurt.tel . and it´s o.k. . Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12326059327784292263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-4694809301521490282013-04-09T17:44:31.322+02:002013-04-09T17:44:31.322+02:00Looks like a perfect argument for throwing out the...Looks like a perfect argument for throwing out the graph paper...kesherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494262159858200847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-5606902000004413152013-04-09T10:57:40.459+02:002013-04-09T10:57:40.459+02:00@ all - Yeah, we were stoked, too (the gamers a bi...@ all - Yeah, we were stoked, too (the gamers a bit more than the rest...). We plan to go there again next month. This time it's a private owner and a 2 hour tour, different part of the dungeon. I see what I can do regarding pictures :)<br /><br />@ Stelios - I didn't think to bring any :) But mapping really would take time and that we didn't have.<br /><br />@ Asen - I like this better, too. But it's hard to translate into a gaming context, I guess. Going awa from the 2d approach we usually have could lead to disorientation (I tried it once, well need to work on that, I guess...).<br /><br />@ Reverance - You're mostly right (tunnel wars between sappers where a guessing game like that). But they randomly dug in for hundreds of years, sometimes with only a meter or so between tunnels. One thing I thought interesting, was, that the whole dungeon came to existance, because people wanted more space. They didn't have a direction to go (and didn't care which direction they went!) and improvised as soon as they met another room or tunnel by accident. I don't think anyone had a map to begin with, mostly they just guessed directions.<br /><br />@ Terje - It's Oppenheim, Germany. They have 4 tours down there that I'm aware of. Sure worth a holiday, more so if you dig vine :)Jens D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18394303166081684904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-66310894701709181072013-04-09T09:43:58.907+02:002013-04-09T09:43:58.907+02:00Really cool! Where is this? It sounds like a perfe...Really cool! Where is this? It sounds like a perfect place for a vacation!Terjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06663734916610033975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-17200836985080054282013-04-09T09:16:45.082+02:002013-04-09T09:16:45.082+02:00That was fascinatingThat was fascinatingpjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-21764681089613497302013-04-09T09:16:11.258+02:002013-04-09T09:16:11.258+02:00That was fascinatingThat was fascinatingpjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-11825916390636436522013-04-09T08:14:37.696+02:002013-04-09T08:14:37.696+02:00You can see some of the classic S-bend approaches ...You can see some of the classic S-bend approaches to tunnelling in the map. Because it is so hard to work out where you are underground, you dig a tunnel between locations from both sides and home in on the noise of the other sappers.<br /><br />Probably a best approach in gaming is not to use graph paper at all when drawing your dungeon, and then overlaying a transparent grid for measurement when it is used.Reverance Pavanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01217657347160811310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-35437521313876068942013-04-09T07:24:31.637+02:002013-04-09T07:24:31.637+02:00So, this is what real dungeons would be like?
I ac...So, this is what real dungeons would be like?<br />I actually like that better. If my players ever ask for a dungeon crawl, I've got some inspirations they wouldn't quite expect!AsenRGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17548696815567190696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-32399135456046178312013-04-09T05:19:34.572+02:002013-04-09T05:19:34.572+02:00Ausgezeichnet!
Ausgezeichnet!<br /><br />Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10231423670489116607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-49906527840098968182013-04-09T05:13:33.183+02:002013-04-09T05:13:33.183+02:00That last picture reminds me of maps of undergroun...That last picture reminds me of maps of underground tunnels in Hârn products. This is really neat! Thanks for this (I came here from The Sandbox of Doom).faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-55332625288679039512013-04-09T05:02:01.192+02:002013-04-09T05:02:01.192+02:00So cool!So cool!Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-35896882143542103852013-04-09T04:29:17.431+02:002013-04-09T04:29:17.431+02:00Awesome. Have you gone back?
Would they at least...Awesome. Have you gone back? <br /><br />Would they at least allow you to map dungeon on graph paper? ;)<br />Stelios V. Perdioshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05466676702515521939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-62561616114858276412013-02-26T16:16:55.864+01:002013-02-26T16:16:55.864+01:00Thanks for the feedback, guys! I'm glad all yo...Thanks for the feedback, guys! I'm glad all you liked it.<br /><br />@Beedo - Yeah, the most interesting thing was the fact, that it's not fiction, people really lived down there and were creative about it. Those smaller tunnels are a perfect example of that.<br /><br />@Charlie - Same goes for me. It's a shame that it wasn't allowed to take pictures inside the dungeon (they reserved that right for themselves). The maps give a good first impression, but being inside it, imagining it without the lighting, it's easy to feel disoriented and lost. And it makes one think about finding better ways to create/describe dungeons.Jens D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18394303166081684904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-9300447607030982062013-02-26T15:02:46.786+01:002013-02-26T15:02:46.786+01:00I love those pictures, particularly the diagrams. ...I love those pictures, particularly the diagrams. It really helps me think about moving beyond the standard grid layout when mapping my own creations. Some of my players are working their way through the God that Crawls module, and the maps they've been drawing for that have been difficult enough. I can only imagine how tough it would be without clearly delineated levels!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05782596632903617443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-21537601309910679412013-02-26T14:29:48.896+01:002013-02-26T14:29:48.896+01:00Really fascinating.Really fascinating.Jaysonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03652611193354218021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6617677799085549365.post-35184364661244827972013-02-25T18:03:17.798+01:002013-02-25T18:03:17.798+01:00That is great stuff - really fun insights. I like...That is great stuff - really fun insights. I like the idea of small tunnels and messenger dogs (or other critters teaming up with inhabitants).Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18031181424520125213noreply@blogger.com